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AP IMPACT: Haiti still waiting for pledged US aid

Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
world-news, business, haiti, earthquake, cb
Jonathan M. Katz, Associated Press
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<p>Antoine Fesnell, right, prays as his daughters Nicole, 9, center, and Antoine, 6, look on during mass in the rubble of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Sunday Sept. 26, 2010.  Fesnell's wife died in the magnitude-7 earthquake that struck Haiti on Jan. 12, 2010 and killed a government-estimated 300,000 people and left millions homeless.  (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)</p>

Antoine Fesnell, right, prays as his daughters Nicole, 9, center, and Antoine, 6, look on during mass in the rubble of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, Sunday Sept. 26, 2010. Fesnell's wife died in the magnitude-7 earthquake that struck Haiti on Jan. 12, 2010 and killed a government-estimated 300,000 people and left millions homeless. (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)

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PORT-AU-PRINCE — Nearly nine months after the earthquake, more than a million Haitians still live on the streets between piles of rubble. One reason: Not a cent of the $1.15 billion the U.S. promised for rebuilding has arrived.

The money was pledged by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in March for use this year in rebuilding. The U.S. has already spent more than $1.1 billion on post-quake relief, but without long-term funds, the reconstruction of the wrecked capital cannot begin.

With just a week to go before fiscal 2010 ends, the money is still tied up in Washington. At fault: bureaucracy, disorganization and a lack of urgency, The Associated Press learned in interviews with officials in the State Department, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the White House and the U.N. Office of the Special Envoy. One senator has held up a key authorization bill because of a $5 million provision he says will be wasteful.

Meanwhile, deaths in Port-au-Prince are mounting, as quake survivors scramble to live without shelter or food.

"There are truly lives at stake, and the idea that folks are spending more time finger-pointing than getting this solved is almost unbelievable," said John Simon, a former U.S. ambassador to the African Union who is now with the Center for Global Development, a Washington think tank.

Nor is Haiti getting much from other donors. Some 50 other nations and organizations pledged a total of $8.75 billion for reconstruction, but just $686 million of that has reached Haiti so far — less than 15 percent of the total promised for 2010-11.

The lack of funds has all but halted reconstruction work by CHF International, the primary U.S.-funded group assigned to remove rubble and build temporary shelters. Just 2 percent of rubble has been cleared and 13,000 temporary shelters have been built — less than 10 percent of the number planned.

The Maryland-based agency is asking the U.S. government for $16.5 million to remove more than 21 million cubic feet (600,000 cubic meters) of additional rubble and build 4,000 more temporary houses out of wood and metal.

"It's just a matter of one phone call and the trucks are out again. We have contractors ready to continue removing rubble. ... We have local suppliers and international suppliers ready to ship the amount of wood and construction materials we need," said CHF country director Alberto Wilde. "It's just a matter of money."

Last week the inaction bore tragic results. On Friday an isolated storm destroyed an estimated 8,000 tarps, tents and shacks in the capital and killed at least six people, including two children. And the threat of violence looms as landowners threaten entire camps with forced eviction.

In Washington there is confusion about the money. At a July hearing, Ravij Shah, director of the U.S. Agency for International Development, thanked members of Congress for approving the funds, saying, "The resources are flowing and are being spent in country."

It wasn't true then, and still hasn't happened.

When the earthquake hit, U.S. agencies sent troops, rescuers, aid workers and supplies to the devastated capital, Port-au-Prince. On March 24, President Barack Obama asked Congress for $2.8 billion in emergency aid to Haiti — about half to pay back money already spent by USAID, the Defense Department and others. An additional $212 million was to write off debt.

The heart of the request was $1.15 billion in new reconstruction funds.

A week later, Clinton touted that figure in front of representatives of 50 nations at the U.N. secretariat, the president of Haiti at her side.

"If the effort to rebuild is slow or insufficient, if it is marked by conflict, lack of coordination or lack of transparency, then the challenges that have plagued Haiti for years could erupt with regional and global consequences," Clinton said.

That was nearly six months ago. It took until May for the Senate to pass a supplemental request for the Haiti funds and until July for the House to do the same. The votes made $917 million available but did not dictate how or when to spend it. Without that final step, the money remains in the U.S. Treasury.

Then came summer recess, emergencies in Pakistan and elsewhere, and the distractions of election politics.

Now the authorization bill that would direct how the aid is delivered remains sidelined by a senator who anonymously pulled it for further study. Through calls to dozens of senators' offices, the AP learned it was Sen. Tom Coburn, a Republican from Oklahoma.

"He is holding the bill because it includes an unnecessary senior Haiti coordinator when we already have one" in U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten, Coburn spokeswoman Becky Bernhardt said.

The bill proposes a new coordinator in Washington who would not oversee U.S. aid but would work with the USAID administrator in Washington to develop a rebuilding strategy. The position would cost $1 million a year for five years, including salaries and expenses for a staff of up to seven people.

With the bill on hold, the State Department is trying to move the money along by avoiding Congress as much as possible. It sent lawmakers a "spending plan" on Sept. 20 and gave legislators 15 days to review it. If they fail to act on the plan, the money could be released as soon as specific projects get the OK.

"We need to make sure that the needs of the Haitian people are not sacrificed to procedural and bureaucratic impediments," Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry told the AP by e-mail. "As we approach nine months since the earthquake, further delays on any side are unacceptable."

Asked when the money will actually come, State Department spokesman Charles Luoma-Overstreet said the department expects to start spending in the coming weeks and months. He added that $275 million in "bridge" funds were released in March and have gone toward agriculture, work, health and shelter programs — not long-term reconstruction.

Haitian advocates say that is not enough.

Jean-Claude Bajeux of the Ecumenical Center for Human Rights in Port-au-Prince said this phase was supposed to be about building semi-permanent houses.

"Where are they? We haven't seen them," he said. "There is not much money that is being used. There is not much work that has actually been done."

Of course there is no guarantee that the money would lead to the successful rebuilding of Haiti. Many past U.S. aid efforts have fallen short.

"I don't think (the money) will make any difference," said Haitian human rights advocate Pierre Esperance. "Haitian people are not really involved in this process."

But officials agree the funds could pay for new approaches to make Haiti more sustainable, and rebuilding projects could improve millions of lives.

The AP found that $874 million of the funds pledged by other countries at the donors conference was money already promised to Haiti for work or aid before the quake. An additional $1.13 million wasn't ever going to be sent; it was debt relief. And $184 million was in loans to Haiti's government, not aid.

The Office of the Special Envoy has been tracking the money delivered so far but does not know who got it. The envoy himself, former President Bill Clinton, told the AP in July and again in August that he was putting pressure on donors to meet their pledges.

On the streets of Haiti, many simply feel abandoned. Mishna Gregoire, 22, said she was happy when she heard about the donors conference. But six months later she is still in a tarp city with 5,000 other people, on a foul-smelling plaza in the Port-au-Prince suburb of Petionville.

"I thought it was something serious they were really going to do," Gregoire said, standing amid tarps torn apart by the sudden storm. "But nothing has been done. And I don't think anything will be done."

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Associated Press writers Jonathan M. Katz reported his story from Port-au-Prince and Martha Mendoza from Santa Cruz, Calif.

© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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weberwithoneb

And $184 million was in loans to Haiti's government, not aid.

Typical. Money may not appear out of thin air, but what it is 184 million to all of Europe?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
Vote Dem Out!!

Oh friggin' well. Don't hold your breath...and get in line! US residents need it more, and should be dealt with first, but our own government certainly isn't willing to help us out.

Besides, didn't Hollywood donate enough $$$? Ask Weyclef for mo' money.

We'll say our prayers for you.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT
Julie-401527

The U.S. has already spent more than $1.1 billion on post-quake relief...

We gave at the office.

Why should the US be responsible for them? They are an independent country since 1804. Some "countries" should never be countries.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
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Vote Dem Out!!

This sums it up...

The Office of the Special Envoy has been tracking the money delivered so far but does not know who got it.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
paxildog

Funny isn't it, a whole office's primary function and they can't even do that.

The person that told anyone that they don't know who got it should be shot and then the head of the department next.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:26 PM EDT
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demmywemmy

Now the authorization bill that would direct how the aid is delivered remains sidelined by a senator who anonymously pulled it for further study. Through calls to dozens of senators' offices, the AP learned it was Sen. Tom Coburn, a Republican from Oklahoma.

Why am I not surprised?

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
Vote Dem Out!!

I'd be more concerned about no one minding the hen house...Tom Coburn has the right idea. Obama can have the Fed print all they want, but we need to know where it's going. Obviously, "Obama don't care..."

Keep printing, keep spending - with no accountability. Who in their right mind would keep voting that Dem mentality back again?

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
demmywemmy

Keep printing, keep spending...I'm sorry, you said Bush?

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:00 PM EDT
lessthan60morethan59

I'd be more concerned about no one minding the hen house

"He is holding the bill because it includes an unnecessary senior Haiti coordinator when we already have one" in U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten, Coburn spokeswoman Becky Bernhardt said.

It reads to me like they are trying to put someone in charge and Senator Coburn is holding the money back because he thinks that person is unnecessary.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
billy-witchdoctor-com

Even when the Democrat is in power all it can do is blame the Republican....one little ol' Republican from Oklahoma....the majority of the House and Senate for now is Democrat...and some Senator From Oklahoma is supposedly holding this up? Doubt it......

The bill proposes a new coordinator in Washington who would not oversee U.S. aid but would work with the USAID administrator in Washington to develop a rebuilding strategy. The position would cost $1 million a year for five years, including salaries and expenses for a staff of up to seven people.

Apparently someone in the Obama administration is getting a job with 7 staffers and a million dollars per year....wonder who that could be and actually how much work they will do?....

But you lefties dont worry ...Hillary Clinton already claimed victory 6 months ago for the money going to Haiti....lesson: dont count your chickens before the eggs hatch (this aslo applies to Obamacare)

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:33 PM EDT
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mon glas

All these men are sitting around in the piles of rubble! Get up off your backside and start cleaning it up instead of sitting on it. Land owners evicting tent owners. What kind of people are these folks.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:02 PM EDT
lovemyplanet-400560

Get up off your backside and start cleaning it up instead of sitting on it.

That was my thought exactly. Why are they waiting for someone to come and clean up their country? Are their hands painted on?

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:30 PM EDT
Vote Dem Out!!

Where do they think they're living, New Orleans?

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:51 PM EDT
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Hold that thought!

Take a number, stand in line, we'll get to you. We have had people in line for assistance, here in America, before you, so put the pressure to all those churches and Red Cross and charities who were fundraising to aid you too. There were millions of dollars raised by other groups so get them to cough up some of that cash and then the US can get to you when we get some other matters resolved.

Let's see now how many years has it been that you've been receiving medical, educational, and financial aid? It seems like you've already gotten tons of aid, so you'll have to wait a little on this deal.

Uh, while you're waiting, maybe start a little cleanup in your neighborhood, in the meantime. If you help yourself, this will all go a little faster.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT
yes I CAN

Where is Mother Theresa . We need a Mother Theresa in Haiti . Quickly .

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
lisaed

Send it all in a letter to Obama...or maybe George Clooney.

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
Over Seas

Or Arrec Barwin....

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
Angela1586572

Our Allies also pledged $$$. Many failed to deliver; they just don't have it. Who does?

I recall a major problem was with corrupt officials needing to be paid off.

The equipment: for building roads clearing debris, blocks of heavy concrete.. sits idle in warehouses; just rusting away.

Food... tons and tons of donated rice and everything to sustain life for a family sits in more warehouses rotting.

Haiti's government could feed each family three decent meals a day. People suffer. There were so many volunteers standing by. Man governing man. Real nice.

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT
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yes I CAN

When mother theresa needed money...Simply she sent a messanger to the source and said the mother needs money....Once President got a message from her and 65 million unleashed in an instant....who is the Mother Theresa that is going to be the catalyst to unlock the door to get the efforts in Haiti attended too...This is not over does the earthquake need to be re enacted here on the mainland USA before folks will realize we all need to do some part to continue to minister to Haiti ....It is for HEALTH and HUMANITY and PAN global implications at stake in many areas including disease spread and security ...This is no joke and if all a person can do is close there eys and pray for haiti do it ..if its a dollar send it to the president bush- clinton fund or red cross or to where they are led and if it is of a different any purpose do it spirit led but do it because the hell that is Haiti needs attention and a torch bearer to continue to pass the torch and keep it lit for haiti causes for a long time coming and the torch and light can not go out ..the flame must burn infinately for HAITI........

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:20 PM EDT
RebootIt

Fawk Haiti! Let's fix our own problems.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

Because of Haitian corruption, the bottom strata of its society always suffers greatly even in the best of times.

Certainly, the fact that monies have been sent to Haiti from US coffers is a demonstration that the US cares. It isn't at all encouraging that the monies have sorta disappeared without having made much impact. That is coupled with the unfortunate fact that the US has seen too much of its money siphoned off in similar manner in our war support efforts.

Corruption sucks no matter where it happens.

It's not that we are not without compassion, it's mostly that we are just very weary due to our own financial struggles exacerbated by political nastiness.

  • 1 vote
Reply#11 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:33 PM EDT
foggdogg

I don't want to sound mean, I donated money when this happened, and have sympathy for these ppl. But at what point do they stop waiting for everyone else to fix this place up, and grab a shovel and start to rebuild for themselves. It looks like they have plenty of man power.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:36 PM EDT
Defying Teenage Stereotypes

Are we surprised? The U.S. promises something and they can't follow through. Although I do agree with foggdogg, we did say we'd help, but they need to get up and do something too. Do they really expect to get anywhere without doing anything?

  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:40 PM EDT
HappyToSeeYa

I'm hoping that you read in the article that the US has sent money that can not be accounted for: we care but we no longer have endless, deep pockets to feed Haiti's corrupt officials who are likely stealing the aid donations.

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
lovemyplanet-400560

Besides which, in the second paragraph it states that "The U.S. has already spent more than $1.1 billion on post-quake relief". How much more are the American taxpayers supposed to give? It's not like we're rolling in money over here!

  • 2 votes
#13.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:33 PM EDT
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Patricia Baker

There's a problem here. WE are always donating and promising. When I can't loan I either say I can't or just decrease the amount so it can get there. If Obama is donating why donate all over the place??? Remeber Bread for the World? Years ago rice was sent to Africa that rotted, no watch dog on the other side? What's the problem. Oh I forgot we send but it's always a Papa Doc problem. Graft.

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
Julie-401527

When I can't loan I either say I can't...

I see your problem Patrica, you're using logic. Governments don't use logic. [sarc]

It's kind of like going to a store, wanting that new flat screen, and not having the money for it. You have 3 choices:

  1. You save and return when you have the money for it.
  2. You throw it on your credit card [and hope later you have the money for it]
  3. You steal it.

Sending money to Haiti covers #2 and #3. The US Government throws it on their CHEX card (China Express) and Haiti looses it. See, Government Logic 101.

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
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Askari

Haiti just can't catch a break. Colonized by the French and then being placed into national debt after fighting for their independence only to have their government turn into the very thing that enslaved them by trying to emulate their former occupiers.

There is no real sincerity from our government to help Haiti since we already helped ourselves to her natural resources via deforesting.

The real tragedy is that the common people of Haiti have never gotten a fair shake or even know what one looks like.

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
Julie-401527

The real tragedy is the governments of Haiti have screwed their people for personal means (wealth). The other half of the island (Dominican Republic) is doing just fine.

I do feel for the people of Haiti but it is their country, not ours. How many times must the world come to their rescue before one says enough is enough?

  • 3 votes
#15.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
Askari

Perhaps had they not been enslaved and abandoned in the first place things would be a bit easier...

Your comment reflects both your ignorance on what has gone on in that country and the world's (more specifically colonizing nations) responsibility for the plight of Haiti.

  • 2 votes
#15.2 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT
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yes I CAN

Volunteering doesnt cost a cent and may be what is meant ....and not ministering to the greatest in need spurs a spirit of greed ........So take heed.....Consider a ministery in any way to lend a helping hand volunteer and even pack a box and donate a supply and my oh my wjat a wonderful day.....sing to yourself zip a doo doo dah zip a dee a my oh my what a wonderful day plenty of sunchine heading my way zip a dee do dah I helped humanity today !!!!! Prayers for haiti please at bare minimum...Thank you.

  • 2 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
Lonewolf6693

That's a shame. Shame on America. We need to get that money over there to help those people.

  • 1 vote
Reply#17 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
AKBER KASSAM

The responsibility of fixing Haiti problem and financial help is not only a responsibility of the United States but entire world, and besides that the government employee of Haiti are dishonest, and crooks they will put money first in their own pocket. Whatever amount we send is only waste of time, it's better if their people try to stand on their own feet work hard, play by rules, and earn their living, because there is nothing free for anyone on this world.

  • 1 vote
Reply#18 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
mon glas

You want to see what these young Haitian men are doing all day. I remembered this story a few months ago. This is why all these men are sitting on piles of rubble instead of helping to clean it up. Here is a link to the story and photos.

http://www.haitinetradio.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=50278&view=previous

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
Lonewolf6693

wow. mon glas i looked at those photos. man they have one jacked up life. they got nothing better to do than do drugs and drink all day.

  • 1 vote
Reply#20 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
mon glas

Lonewolf, Its sad. No one can deny whats really happening there. These photos and stories are from their own people. You would at least think these healthy young men would have enough respect for the little children and the elderly to help clean up some of those area's to make them inhabitable instead of getting high all day.

Makes you wonder about the real situation there. They say they are getting money from relatives in the U.S. But claim there is no food and shelter according to this story. It looks like liquer is readily available and that their emergency funds are buying that.

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
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yes I CAN

Despair can cause the kindest to lose their mindest ....So dont go strictly by a photo and make a judgement....tap your own spirit heart and soul for an answer as to this issue and what impact you will have and relish in and profit from......for eternity.........tap tap tap your own soul not open anothers can of misery and judgemental....because thats mentally not gonna bring the power to move mountains and rubble off the haitians feet and bodies and land .....and dust of integrity and use it or lose it...integrity.....volunteer .

  • 2 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:20 PM EDT
Head-Negro

Listen to the fake Christian cry..?

Lets see a natural disaster that killed 100s of thousand people or scams run by the greedy on Americans,, no real comparison !!!

because what happen to Americans was a man-made scam disaster,, perpetuated by the Ungodly,
the hateful & greedy

and it's not a surprise Hatti won't get the money promised
coming from the fake "full of pure hatred" so called Christian bunch

  • 1 vote
Reply#22 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
Over Seas

Gee. You got a chip on your shoulder or what?

I've had friends from mission groups in Texas and Florida drop everything they were doing in the US, take annual vacation from work and go to Haiti and assist with cleanup... all voluntary and all backed and funded by Christian missions.

Take off your "hate goggles" for a minute and realize that a lot of the work that has already been done down there, with a lack of US Government funding by the way, has been done by good people, and a good number of them are affiliated to Christian groups.

  • 5 votes
#22.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:45 PM EDT
Head-Negro

Gee. You got a chip on your shoulder or what?

If the shoe fits wear it ???
but if not
then I'm not talking to YOU and those people who went to help or who do care and hopes that the money can get there

I'm talking to those who were in glee when the tragedy hit Haiti and those who don't care one bit about their plight

the fake Christians
and if you are not a fake Christian then what and why are you talking to me

is that hard for you to understand that not all things apply to YOU

  • 1 vote
#22.2 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:00 PM EDT
billy-witchdoctor-com

The bill proposes a new coordinator in Washington who would not oversee U.S. aid but would work with the USAID administrator in Washington to develop a rebuilding strategy. The position would cost $1 million a year for five years, including salaries and expenses for a staff of up to seven people.

So somebody gets a job, up to 7 staffers and a million dollars to pay for it, which staffers could get base pay of 17803.00 for or a max of 129518.00 per year ...so if greed and coorruption is stopping the money from flowing....maybe the Democrat could say that since we already have a coordinator maybe we can not waste more money....use it one the Hatians.....notice the rest of the world has not come to aid the Hatians and if we dont who will.....dont hire an uneccessary coordinator get this done and actually help the Hatians...dont let payoffs (a useless coordinator job) get in the way.

  • 1 vote
#22.3 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT
tesla013

Head: I was just wondering who specificly were you talking to??? You wanna talk about scams on America look at all the greedy Americans who attempted to scam uncle sam during Katrina. The money they refer to in the article was promised by none other than Hillary Clinton Sec of State US. Didn't know she was affiliated with them evil fake christians.

  • 4 votes
#22.4 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:10 PM EDT
Head-Negro

You wanna talk about scams on America look at all the greedy Americans who attempted to scam uncle sam during Katrina

what are you talking about the scam of our Gov buying all of those contaminated trailers and not giving them to the people who needed them ?

and all the scammers who setup fake help sites

yes your right there were a lot of scams,, but also a lot of people who needed help

just like in Haiti right now,,, they still need help

either your for helping or against it

  • 1 vote
#22.5 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT
Over Seas

Head -

the fake Christians
and if you are not a fake Christian then what and why are you talking to me

To be fair, you didn't differentiate between fake and real in your first post, you just said fake. There is no indication in your first post that would lead someone to believe you are not categorizing all Christians with the same broad brush, both from your first comment and your last.

To answer your 2nd post, this is a public forum. Anyone can talk to anyone. If you aren't prepared to at least discuss or clarify a statement you want to make, then don't be upset when someone calls you out.

And to further clarify, those people who delight in tragedy when it hits because of their perception of a place being "evil, so it deserved it" are less than worthless in my book.

  • 4 votes
#22.6 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:56 PM EDT
Head-Negro

To be fair, you didn't differentiate between fake and real in your first post, you just said fake

and I also said fake christian who were crying about them getting aid, and it was one sentence and should have been read as such

Now if you were not crying about them getting aid

then why are you wearing the shoe ???

and the only thing I can see is maybe you are crying about them getting the aid that was promise to them

  • 1 vote
#22.7 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT
Over Seas

Sorry Head,

Your syntax isn't the easiest to decipher, which is probably why some of your sentences don't come across so easily interpreted. More magic of online forums.

  • 1 vote
#22.8 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
Head-Negro

Your syntax isn't the easiest to decipher, which is probably why some of your sentences don't come across so easily interpreted. More magic of online forums

yes I thought you had a reading and comprehension problem

because my message is loud and clear
And if you are a fake "so called" christian
and crying about them getting aid

then you would understand me perfectly

  • 1 vote
#22.9 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:07 AM EDT
Over Seas

yes I thought you had a reading and comprehension problem

Easy to have when there is a cognitive writing problem at the start. /s If you want to simply throw insults back and forth, be my guest. That's not my intention.

Please understand that #22.8 wasn't an insult, just an observation of where we are getting off track. No need to make it a street fight.

  • 2 votes
#22.10 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:05 PM EDT
Head-Negro

Please understand that #22.8 wasn't an insult, just an observation of where we are getting off track

the only one off track is you,, and you won't admit it

and you keep talking ??
conversation over Christian.! one conversation that truly should have never been started

quit wearing shoes that don't belong to you

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#22.11 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT
Over Seas

#22.11 quit wearing shoes that don't belong to you

Thanks for that. I'm not wearing any shoes that you didn't already put on me, like these:

#22.7 and the only thing I can see is maybe you are crying about them getting the aid that was promise to them

Not at all. If you can't decipher that from my comments in #22.1 and #22.6, then I can't help you.

the only one off track is you,, and you won't admit it

The only one? Lol.

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#22.12 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:12 PM EDT
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tesla013

I did not see a single quote from the guy that runs that country. Isn't that Aristead? And all that donated cash? Somebody got paid. Wonder who?

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Reply#23 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:25 PM EDT
yes I CAN

Oprah will open the door of change ..Angel network leading the way I forsee ...Thank God for Haiti..

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Reply#24 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:31 PM EDT
explorerdog

Haiti's open hand will never be retracted. It is now as it has always been, the perpetual pity party, the island nation incapable of sustaining itself. The xtain groups are there for the opportunity to convert, that is the primary reason. You must get people when they are down to sway them to your belief.

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Reply#25 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
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